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What duchy management technique are people using in CK3? I'm still running with the 'keep vassals' weak strategy and just giving a Duke 1 county in their dejure land and the rest to individual vassals. I remember in the past some advocated giving a Duke 50% of the counties in the de-jure duchy and the rest to individuals counts, or giving all land in a duchy to the duke so they develop better.
Is the keeping vassals weak strategy still the best way to go?
prismaticmarcus
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no, dread has changed all that IMHO
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The economy collapsed and destroyed everything
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Valthis
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This is from clan not feudal perspective, but I have no problems giving my other sons an entire dukedom. With dread making positive relations, its super easy to negate the short rule modifier when my heir takes over. If anything, I prefer it so they at least have troop counts, and they inflate my "power" because those alliances still count towards what I call power projection making the AI less likely to attack me.
RX2000
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I still try to keep dukes as weak as possible. I only ever give them 1 county & then the duchy. Sometimes over time they will build up & take multiple counties & duchies. In my current game as Emperor of Hispania & Francia, I had a few dukes who would go all Grand Duke on me & end up conquering their way to holding like 3-4 duchy titles. I found that if you modify their contract to force partition on them though, their heirs will usually end up getting knocked back down to 1-2 duchies in a couple generations.
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I like to make my vassals strong since your tax and levy from them depends on their own income and levies. I prefer it when dukes have a minimal number of counts under them. The more direct vassal holdings, the more money you make. The more vassals in between you and a holding, the less tax/levy you get from it.
Dread makes vassals non-threatening, and even without dread, diplomacy + opinion stacking pushes most vassals out of faction opinion range.
Prefer vassals with traits that add +liege opinion: Content, Humble, Trusting. Craven vassals are also always afraid of you, even at 0 dread.
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Magil
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It depends, if you want to be safe from uprisings weaker vassals are better, but if you want any decent tax income then you should aim to be as close to the holdings as possible, and that means vassal dukes should hold more counties directly. And you should avoid king vassals until absolutely necessary. It is also worth considering that dread has all but trivialized keeping vassals in line, if you're willing to abuse it. Even a child can intimidate vassals out of factions if they just have a few important prisoners to execute. Which means from an "optimal play" point I think aiming for taxes is better, which means powerful dukes with few counts under them and fewer king direct vassals.
All of that assuming you want vassals at all of course, since strictly speaking the optimal play is to get big and then seize everything for yourself, but that breaks the game so much it's not really worth discussing.
Dragatus
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I like giving duchies to my spare kids and I don't want them to get trouble from their vassals so I like giving them plenty of counties to go along with the duchy. It's quite easy to keep vassals in check with dread, especially if you're anywhere near the religious frontier and save up some infidel prisoners to execute when a new ruler ascends to the throne. And on the opposite end of the spectrum the Befriend scheme requires you to get one single perk in the diplomacy lifestyle, which is pretty quick even if you don't get an education bonus.
knppel
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The new meta is to hoard 7 duchy titles so you can make use of duchy capital buildings all over your demesne
Omnishambles
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With partition inheritance going for so long you don't need to bother finding all those counts, just give it to someone with a few sons and they'll be weak in a generation
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